NHL players want more. The owners are offering them much, much less.
It's a "pretty substantial monetary gulf" as NHLPA exec Don Fehr put it a few weeks ago.
But there appears to be little urgency to bridge that gulf and end the NHL lockout.
Both sides have apparently forgotten how the process works.
You don't get a collective bargaining agreement unless you bargain. Negotiation is a job for those prepared to negotiate.
But negotiation and bargaining are not on the agenda these days.
Having staked out their hardline positions, the two sides are holding fast.
Assuming they haven't met secretly, it's been a month since league and union had a meaningful conversation about money.
October 11 was supposed to be opening night of the 2012-13 season.
From here on, every wasted day costs the NHL a lot of cash and a lot of goodwill.
Read on for the latest on the current stalemate...
Photo: Ilya Bryzgalov (L) and Evgeni Malkin are among the NHL players working in Europe during the 2012 lockout (Paul Bereswill/Getty Images).